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Kingdom of Lithuania 1562 Map by Rarayn Kingdom of Lithuania 1562 Map by Rarayn
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This is a map of the Kingdom of Lithuania from my "Riga-verse" TL. It's shown with it's more important internal divisions, including those seen in the Duchy of Riga 1562 map. Riga suddenly seems a lot less important when compared to Lithuania, huh?

Anyway, I'll probably go into the historical background in more detail later, but here's a quick overview:
- Moscow was burned by Mongols when it was still a minor trading post in the woods. (The main PoD of the TL. Results in a lot of butterflies.)

- The Polish nobles fail to intercept the Lithuanian crown after the Meeting of Lutsk, meaning that Vytautas the Great is crowned King of Lithuania. Results in pretty bad relations between Poland and Lithuania. Lithuania is best-buddies with Hungary though, which puts Poland in a rather awkward position.

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A bigger version of the Lithuanian flag can be found here: [link]

The compass rose was found here: [link]

The paper textures were found here: [link]

I used this as my basemap: [link]
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TomasDRE Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2014
AND THATS HOW ITS SHOULD BE AND MUST BE !!!!!!!! ITS ALWAYS WAS THE SAME AND WILL BE !!!! SARMATIANS-LITHUANIANS had this lands for 1000's of years and must get them back ! ;)
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Ruiner3000 Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2013
I'm Lithuanian and can say just wow! Flattering map! Now let's go and try to built time machine!

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BrownPoo Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2013  Student General Artist
Pretty, pretty map :O really well thought out too, particularly the alternate history...only thing that irks me slightly is whether a constitutional monarchy could've existed in that expansive an area, particularly at that time.
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Rarayn Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2013
Thanks!

About constitutional monarchy...You have a point. Constitutional monarchies were pretty rare in the 16th century too. No idea why I wrote that back when I made the map.
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Ragehard Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013
This is basically Lithuanian-Rus, isn't it?
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:iconrarayn:
Rarayn Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013
the Grand Duchy of Lithuania considered itself the successor to the old Kievan Rus' for a long time historically, so that's quite fitting, is it not?
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:iconragehard:
Ragehard Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013
Indeed it did :) I study Russian History at uni, it came up :)
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propocorned Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013
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Rarayn Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013
Yes, I used that as my basemap for this map. I even said as much in the deviation description.
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RadioFlue Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013
"- The Polish nobles fail to intercept the Lithuanian crown after the Meeting of Lutsk, meaning that Vytautas the Great is crowned King of Lithuania." ???

What rewriting of history is this?
Vytautas was never crowned as King of Lithuania because the crown was stolen by the Polish. He died without being crowned in 1430 by the official history.
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TomasDRE Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2014
Yes it was stoled by the polishes... as most of the history hidden ! But times came up, when all true is getting out and showing,that Lithuanians always was a Monarchy, Kingdom, thats how all the Europe was calling them and their Kings. grand dutchy its just a name that came from far east and was misunderstood by polish lowbrainers and wanted to reduce Lithuanians as a nation. But now we getting all the evidence, that its been KINGDOM and STAYED as a kingdom, just started to being called differently, which doesnt change its status !
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Rarayn Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013
The idea was not to produce a factual account of the history of Lithuania at the time, but to create an alternate timeline exploring what could have happened if Vytautas DID get the crown.
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RadioFlue Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2013
That is nice then, like in the games. The thing is, that some of my friends took it for real and were planning to make posters of it.
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:iconrarayn:
Rarayn Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2013
Haha, I see. Why did they want to make a poster of it? School project or something?
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:iconradioflue:
RadioFlue Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2013
No, to hang it on their wall, like a thing of history. Decoration. They are Lithuanians. You know, if people come to visit, they can look at it, speak about it:) It is partially true, Lithuania was quite big, from the Baltic sea to the Black sea:)
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Pietroschek Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I was just reminded of 'Crusader Kings 2' PC game...
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:iconrarayn:
Rarayn Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012
Haha, yeah. Almost makes me want to try making a mega Lithuania in CK2 myself sometime. Been a while since the last time I played.
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:iconpietroschek:
Pietroschek Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
CK2 was much improved and yes, Lithuania could become really big, either by crushing the Norse pagans or by making vassals until King of Russia is possible!
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Rarayn Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012
The last time I played I played as a Zähringer King of Bavaria. Was a pretty fun game. The game gets a bit too easy when you're safe within the HRE though.
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Pietroschek Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Can't say, had just finished the demo. I rewrote files in the common folder, more siege losses and such...

HRE... true for Bavaria, yet only if you don't go to become emperor of HRE yourself???
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Rarayn Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012
I was careful to avoid getting elected Emperor for the most part. The time I did get elected, I tried cleaning up the mess the Empire had become by centralizing it under the various royal titles. Destroyed it in the end though, which was not really a bad thing for me at the time. Pretty much made me the undisputed hegemon of Germany without the inconvenience of the Imperial title.
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Pietroschek Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Yep! Sounds like the Ai troubles with Byzantium in CK1 ... it was usually lost to Seljut Turks in 1st ten years... after that Europe falls quickly, as Spain ... is never united enough to hold back the wrath of Islam!
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Rarayn Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012
Islam got screwed in my CK1 playthrough where I become the Christian king of Egypt though. Managed to convert almost every single province of Egypt into Christian religion and Breton culture lol.
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TobiasVonTobiasov Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Map is nice but mot probable would be if Poland supported Kievian Rus. Than Lithuania would have only tooday Belarus teritories.

Bat artwork is awesome. :3
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kazumikikuchi Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I like this map.
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Rarayn Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2012
Glad to hear it. :D
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MspnDev Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2011
kingdom of lithuanians occupants??
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:iconrarayn:
Rarayn Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2011
Could you rephrase your question? I am not sure if I understood what you meant.
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TobiasVonTobiasov Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
He ment that in Lithuanian country Lithuanians were only 20% of population.
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spineless-laugh Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011
Connection between Russia and Europe overseen by one country?
Not happenin'.
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:iconrarayn:
Rarayn Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011
It did happen historically, and the Lithuania then was weaker and faced by stronger enemies.
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spineless-laugh Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2011
Oh yeah, I forgot. Sorry. So did its neighbours team up and seek to destroy it/split it up?
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Rarayn Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2011
There is not even a sliver of unity among the Russian principalities, and Lithuania and Hungary have a common enemy in Poland. Lithuania will fall eventually, but it's currently in its "golden age".
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Conturi-Hakudoushi Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2011
Very good work))
If this not alternate))
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:iconrarayn:
Rarayn Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2011
Thank you. Did you mean that this is good work if it is not alternate, or am I misunderstanding something here?
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:iconconturi-hakudoushi:
Conturi-Hakudoushi Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2011
I just do not like alternate history))
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:iconrarayn:
Rarayn Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2011
Well, just about all my work is alternate history, so I'll have to disappoint you in that case, hehe. n_n'
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:iconconturi-hakudoushi:
Conturi-Hakudoushi Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2011
Nothing) Works all the same good))
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Darkaiz Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I think the "Vilnius" text should be bigger, considering it's the capital, otherwhise I love it.
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Rarayn Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2011
Good call. Increased the text size a bit, but I couldn't make it much bigger, as that would put it on the same level as whole territories within Lithuania.
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Darkaiz Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
:)
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Optimus01 Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2011
The map looks great ! But since it's not alternative history, i must tell you about a few mistakes.
I see the year is 1562, therefore the Kingdom of Hungary doesn't exist anymore cose it was destroyed at the Battle of Mohacs in 1526 and becomed the Vilayet of Buda. Also the Principality of Transylvania a separate semi-independent country under Ottoman suzeranity !
That's it :)
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Rarayn Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2011
Thanks! :D

I don't know what makes you say that this isn't alternate history, but it is. Hungary exists as an independent entity - a powerful one at that - due to Matthias Corvinus having a legitimate and worthy heir in this timeline. The Ottomans were unable to crush Hungary the way they did OTL due to Hungary still having the Black Brigade at their disposal, as well as considerable internal stability.
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Optimus01 Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2011
Sorry i wasn't paying to much attention at these details, cose i've seen that much of it resembled the real history, i just thought this must be a map that wanted to recreate the political situation from those ages.
But since you say that is "alternative" than it's ok :)
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Rarayn Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2011
I generally try to be very conservative and careful with the results of my PoDs when writing serious alternate history. It it seems historical at first glance, that's actually positive.

The changes are actually pretty obvious if you're familiar with Lithuanian, Baltic and Russian history though. There's no Russia or Grand Duchy of Muscovy, the Baltic region has been divided very differently from OTL and Lithuania is an independent kingdom that hates Poland. It also annexed the Crimean Khanate, which never happened OTL.
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Optimus01 Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2011
Yes, i've noticed that Lithuania seems to be divided from Poland, but i just assumed that you wanted to enhance Lithuania since it is a map of Lithuania :) Also about the hate between them and the Poland i had no ideea it was during those times. I know that they started hating eachother after the fall of their Commonwealth, blameing eachother for it's partition.
And as for the Crimean Khanate ... yes it was a sign that this map is alternate, but as i said i wasn't too carefull.

Actually now that i think about it, i realize why it's so easy to falsify the history, because people don't generally like it and find it boring. God knows how many times was the history of humanity changed !
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Rarayn Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2011
I don't know the actual relationship between the two at the time, but in this timeline, they're not very fond of each other. The Poles tried to stop the crowning of Vytautas, and even demanded Lithuanian land (Podolia, Galicia) upon his crowning and the end of the personal union between the two countries. The Lithuanians weren't very pleased about that, of course.

I have never found history boring myself, but you do have a point. It's very easy to falsify.
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kazumikikuchi Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Actually, Sigismund of Luxembourg was the rightful heir of Casimir III of Poland, he was plotting to get Poland back but many Polish nobles hated him.
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Rarayn Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2012
This was before Poland and Lithuania were considered inseparable. If memory serves, Vytautas was a Lithuanian noble who wanted the Lithuanian crown to ascertain Lithuania's independence from Poland. Been a while since I read up on it though.
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Thejboy88 Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2011
Nice map.

Don't mean to criticise but wouldn't it make more sense for them to expand along the sourhtern Baltic sea rather than stretch themselves across an entire continent? I'm no military strategist but I would think that would over-extend their capabilities.
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